7 January 2013

Wes Minster Five - Sticks And Stones/ Mickey's Monkey



Label: Carnival
Year of Release: 1964

The London blues and R&B scene is the stuff of beat legend these days, and people of my generation have only hearsay to go by.  Still, irrespective of how many obscure fringe acts were allegedly the best live bands in the world, we all know for a fact that there were endless pubs and clubs in the capital having bands playing approximations of authentic American sounds in their sweaty, smoky basement rooms. Some of these (The Rolling Stones) would go on to success of the kind that doesn't need to be emphasised, while others had to content themselves with cultish levels of appreciation.  

The Wes Minster Five were a regularly gigging unit around the London bar and club scene, and are really seldom discussed on any level these days.  Part of the problem may be that they were signed to an uber-obscure independent label without much clout, and another issue may be the fact that their recordings, while good, lack the abrasion and bite of The Pretty Things or The Birds.  Still, what we have here are two enjoyable cuts, either of which could have happily taken the A-side spot.  "Sticks and Stones" is a nice, stomping cover of the R&B classic, and "Mickey's Monkey" incorporates call and response vocals with hand clapping and a nagging enthusiasm, and nearly rips up the joint.  Both tracks have come under some criticism from aficionados for giving two respected songs a British beat production, but that, I'm afraid, was the name of the game at the time.  Very few British bands were able to ape the American styles 100% successfully (and what, indeed, would be the point of creating replicas in the studio anyway?) so putting their own blueprint on the tracks was fairly standard practice.

Consisting of Clive Burrows on sax, Dave Greenslade on keyboards, John Hiseman on drums, Brian Smith (aka Wes Minster) on guitar, Tony Reeves on bass and Paul Williams on vocals, the line-up was completed by chance purely due to Williams' connection with Georgie Fame and The Blue Flames - a fan and regular attendee of their Flamingo Club gigs, he managed to convince the outfit to allow him to occasionally get on stage and sing songs with them, and eventually Fame put him in touch with the other musicians who were in the process of putting an act together.  The band are particularly notable for giving the Zoot Money's Big Roll Band two of its future members in Williams and Burrows.

Williams remains a practicing musician to this day, having worked with the likes of John Mayall and Juicy Lucy over the years, as well as gigging as a part of ensemble touring acts and as a solo artist.  You can call me soft if you want, but it always brings a bit of cheer to my heart to be able to finish a blog entry talking about a musician's continued activity.

[Update - Terry Webster - the actual lead vocalist for this group - got in touch with me to correct some details! You can see more in the comments section].

7 comments:

terry webster said...

Aw! TERRY WEBSTER IS THE SINGER AND BASS PLAYER OF THESE TRACKS
Jim Ellis Drums Clive Burrows sax Paul? organ Wes Minster guitar.
wrong line up I'm afraid. Putting the world to rights before I die..

WELL KNOWN FOR NEVER GETTING MENTIONED ON MY RECORDINGS

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terry webster said...

We were involved with Wes(Brian)Minster performing on the R&B circuit.We did sessions for Blue Beat label Carnival Records backing various West Indian Artistes that would be sold on Portobello Road and other London Market stalls.
Interesting recording glitch at the beginning of Sticks n Stones.
It was all one take stuff.
Terry Webster alias TONY BROOK and the BREAKERS

23 Daves said...

Ha! Huge apologies for that, Terry, but getting information on most of the acts featured on this blog is an unreliable business and mistakes happen more often than I'd like… but thanks for taking the time to put things right and also fill everyone in with a bit of background information.

Two questions - is that wobble at the beginning of "Sticks n Stones" not supposed to be there? I always heard it as part of the tune. And did these records not get distributed much beyond market stalls around London to the best of your knowledge? Did they not actually gain a more thorough distribution?

terry webster said...

Nice to make a connection with you on the facts. Sticks and Stones had a dodgy wobble on the intro due to some studio or manufacturing slip up. I imagine a guy resting against the mastering equipment lighting a fag...Whoops! The producer apologised but I suppose as it was only a B side and a bit quirky they decided to leave it there.
Terry Webster

terry webster said...

Answering your second question, I'm not aware that Carnival Records did anything outside the London West Indian/Carribean community. The producers seemed happy enough with their small exclusive Blue Beat market.
I remember we did a session for a great character named Little Satch. A singer so named as he was little and played a trumpet but quite badly tuned. The producer only helped to tune it to a point as the track would lose that raw flavour.
Thanks to the Internet I managed to buy 4 Carnival records one of them my long lost version of 'Mickeys Monkey'/'Sticks n Stones'.
Terry

DaveE said...

"Paul ?" on organ was actually Paul Raymond AKA Martin Raymond who later played with Tony Jackson's Vibrations, Plastic Penny, Savoy Brown etc.

Tim Coombe said...

Brian (Wes Minster) Smith, was my old guitar teacher. He sadly passed away a few years ago, but was a Wes Montgomery fanatic to the end. Lovely guy!